1939 register find my past help please

Hi Everyone
Does anyone have access to 1939 register on find my past website, looking for details of this family please any help appreciated


Albert G Backhouse 1911 Manchester C.B. Lancashire
Mary Backhouse 1910 Manchester C.B. Lancashire
Albert Anthony Backhouse 1934 Manchester C.B. Lancashire
James Doherty 1922 Manchester C.B. Lancashire

are you on fb there is a page on there that people will look things up for you or if you want i will put a post up for you

Hi winnie found it thank you very usefull

Hi winnie spoke to soon lol only found some links could you please post for me on the one you know please

done will let you know if anyone finds it

Backhouse is my married name !!!

Really I'm doing this for a friend

Let me know if you find any connection

Albert G Backhouse dob 29 Oct 11, later changed to 27 Oct 11 was a married Motor Coach something (Army Transport) sorry can't read the 3rd word of his occupation & nor could the transcriber read any of the occupation!
Mary Backhouse dob 1 Aug 10 or it could be 18 with a faded top bit of the 8 was a married Shopkeeper (mixed business).
Albert A Backhouse later 16.12.55 changed to Anthony with an A added 26.9.80 dob 22 Oct 34 was single at School.
Then there's 3 lines redacted.
James Doherty dob 8 May 22 was single Apprentice Centre Lathe Turner. I'm not convinced of the word Centre, but that's what is transcribed, & I'm not certain what it is

Thank you winne that was quick

Winnie

Albert was a motor coach trimmer.
In those days a centre lathe would always be operated by a skilled man classed as a turner.

Hi gaffer Thank you for posting photo got address from it, & information about his occupation

Mary Backhouse
[Mary Doherty]
Birth Date: 1 Aug 1910
Date of Registration: Apr 1997
Age at Death: 86
Registration district: Warrington
Inferred County: Cheshire, Lancashire
Register Number: A49C
District and Subdistrict: 3461A
Entry Number: 269

A G Backhouse Coach Trimmimg Parkview Higher Bents Lane Bredbury this is the telephone directory from 1953

BACKHOUSE Albert George Parkview Higher Bents Lane Bredbury cheshire died 6 feb 1957 Probate Manchester 29 April to Kathleen Doherty spinster and leo Goodstadt captain in HM army effects £863 6s 5d

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Wow thank you winnie, not done the Doherty side yet, nice start Can I ask where were all the Doherty's born please

Manchester

Thank you

Hi Everyone Can I have help with the Doherty family as above please
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Doherty 27
Mary Doherty 26
Thomas Doherty 5
Winefred Doherty 3
Mary Doherty 10/12

Believe other children should be with them on 1911 census
Alice Doherty 1905 Salford (Definite)
Michael Doherty 1907 (unsure)
Dominic Doherty 1909 (Definite)
Last known address 76 Bury St. Salford 1909 can I ask who is living at this address please.
Would like 1939 register for Thomas & Mary Doherty above please

on the 1911 censers it says thomas and mary have been married for 5 years and 3 children alive 0 died

Children born Salford sorry. Dominic bapt says 76 Bury street Salford the definite, unsure is whether still alive 1911

found this on ancestry Dominic Doherty
1909–1909

BIRTH FEBRUARY 11, 1909 • Greengate, Salford, Lancashire, England
DEATH 1909 • Greengate, Salford, Lancashire, England
Thomas Doherty
1877–1951

Mary (Esther Ann?) Campbell
1885–1936
Siblings
Thomas Patrick Doherty 1904–1962

Alice Doherty 1905–1979
Michael Doherty 1907–1907
Mary Doherty 1910–1997
Francis Doherty 1917–2007
Kathleen Doherty 1920–2004
James Doherty 1922–
Martin Doherty –1940
Private

Thank you winnie that's them. The 1911 census family you gave me says openshaw & know Kathleen, Martin & Frances born openshaw so fits but this ancestry tree doesn't mention Winifred. Can you see on ancestry where this family is in 1911?

has the same 1911 censers as above what is thomas and marys parents called tree name Backhouse

Name Mary Esther Doherty
Age in 1911 25
Estimated Birth Year abt 1886
Relation to Head Wife
Gender Female
Birth Place Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Salford
Search Photos Salford, Lancashire, England
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address 74 Bury St Salford
Marital Status Married
Occupation Assisting In The Business
Registration district Salford
Registration District Number 465
Sub-registration district Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel 14
Piece 24027
Household Members
Name Age
Thomas Doherty 33
Mary Esther Doherty 25
Thomas Partrick Doherty 7
Mary Doherty 8/12
Martin Doherty 30
Mary Doherty 24 married for 8 years 5 children born 2 died but only 2 living with them do you think this is them thomas owns a chippy

So they say have only 3 children, so what about alice where is she, and don't mention 2 children died.They do make things complicated
Sorry didn't see previous post

That makes more sense just need to find the other children your brilliant

Mary 8/12 would be 8 of 12 months. Does Thomas say birth place Salford or Ireland please

Mary Esther Campbell

Birth
abt 1885
Manchester, Lancashire, England
Death
1936
MANCHESTER Lancashire England Father
Patrick Campbell (1855-)
Mother
Marianna Campbell (1855-1889)
Spouse
thomas doherty (1878-1951)married 1903
Martin (-1940)
Thomas (1904-1962)
Alice (1905-1979)
Michael (1907-1907)
Winefred (1908-)
Dominic (1909-1909)
mary (1910-1997)
Francis (1917-2007)
Kathleen (1920-2004)
James (1922-)

does this make any sense ive made a temporary tree to try and help you

maybe alice is living with someone else will try and find her

Where is the above information from I have this
Baptism: 11 Jan 1885 St Aloysius, Ardwick, Lancashire, England
Maria Esther Campbell - filia Patricii Campbell & Mariae Annae (formerly Coyle)
Born: 23 Dec 1884
Godparents: Gulielmus Burns; Esther Boyce
Baptised by: B. Flynn
Register: Baptisms 1877 - 1888, Page 573
Source: Original Register Lancashire Archives

Thank you is brilliant

thomas doherty
1878–1951

BIRTH ABT 1878 • Roscommon, Ireland

Fantastic was following the other Thomas on 1901 census which said born salford then told he was born on a farm in Ireland making more & more sense so

I have all the above child, have birth records and some baptisms that why I couldn't put them together with the Thomas & Mary in openshaw but they made sense because of children born openshaw what a coincidence lol

there are photos on another tree

There is another tree, have information about one tree that the person I am doing this for is trying to contact. That tree is through Irene Smith who was married to a son of Albert George Backhouse my friend's grandfather. I bet he would love photo's

1901 census makes sense (although there is another one that is in Manchester working as barman) Stop Gate Lane Simonswood, Lancashire, England working as farm labourer
Birthplace
Mary Ledson Head F 69 Rainford, Lancashire
Anne Ledson Daughter F 32 Kirkby, Lancashire
William Ledson Son M 27 Tarbock, Lancashire
Joseph Ledson Son M 26 Tarbock, Lancashire
Sarah Ledson Daughter F 23 Tarbock, Lancashire
Patrick Doherty Servant M 25 Ireland
Thomas Doherty Servant M 24 Ireland
Michael Doherty Servant M 17 Ireland

1939 register 38 Rusholme Road Manchester
Thomas Doherty 29/12/1877 Wardrobe Dealer. Widower
Cathleen Doherty 22/2/20 Shorthand Typist Single.

Winnie can you tell me the fb page that you mentioned earlier please ?

1841 - 1939 & Beyond Genealogy Discussion Group

Have you seen this on Lancashire OPC?

Baptism: 4 Sep 1910 St Peter, Greengate, Lancashire, England
Maria Doherty - filia Thomae Doherty & Maria Esther (formerly Campbell)
Born: 1 Aug 1910
Abode: Bury St.
Godparents: Martinus Doherty; Maria Jardine
Notes: Ipsa matrim contraxit in Eccl. Sti. Augustinis, Mancunii die 28 April 1933 cum
Alberto Geo. Backhouse
Baptised by: Henrico Ignatio Atkinson
Register: Baptisms 1902 - 1924, Page 164
Source: Original Register at Lancashire Archives

Hi Winnie yes I have a few of their births from there had to use google translate lol but had an idea it meant her wedding as recognised date

Can I ask on 1911 census does it say Martin is Thomas brother & on 1939 reg does Thomas still say born Roscommon Ireland. Thought I had his parents on 1901 census Ireland which seem a really good fit then when you put his birth date on the 1939 census blew it out of the water
I found this Thomas Doherty
Ireland Births and Baptisms
Name Thomas Doherty
Gender Male
Birth Date 15 Dec 1877
Birthplace Ireland
Father's Name Martin Doherty
Mother's Name Ellen Madden Doherty
Then with birth date found this
Thomas Doherty
Ireland Births and Baptisms
Name Thomas Doherty
Gender Male
Birth Date 29 Dec 1877
Birthplace Ireland
Father's Name Michael Doherty
Mother's Name Bridget Mcgreal Doherty
having a lot of trouble putting him with them, Thought it was going easy lol

Name Martin Doherty
Age in 1911 30
Estimated Birth Year abt 1881
Relation to Head Brother
Gender Male
Birth Place Rosecommon, Ireland
Civil parish Salford
Search Photos Salford, Lancashire, England
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address 74 Bury St Salford
Marital Status Single
Occupation Hotel Waiter
Registration district Salford
Registration District Number 465
Sub-registration district Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel 14
Piece 24027
Household Members
Name Age
Thomas Doherty 33
May Esther Doherty 25
Thomas Partrick Doherty 7
May Doherty 8/12
Martin Doherty 30
May Doherty 24

Thank you

If you are able to check the 1939 register there is a Thomas Doherty born 1884 with a Mary and others.This birth date matches the 1911 census.

Hi winnie sorry just noticed May or Mary 24 is she
thomas sister if so does she say Roscommon to

Hi mygiffiths the 1939 census winne gave me
1939 register 38 Rusholme Road Manchester
Thomas Doherty 29/12/1877 Wardrobe Dealer. Widower
Cathleen Doherty 22/2/20 Shorthand Typist Single.
matches information I have that Kathleen was a secretary

The Mary aged 24 was Thomas and Martin's sister on the 1911 census also of Roscommon.
There are 11 Thomas Doherty on the 1939 register for Manchester Birth dates ranging from 1868 to 1916 and 4 in Salford.Hopefully someone with access to the details can find the right one for you .
It was interesting to see that Albert's sister Esther had married Mary's brother Thomas.

Hi Mygriffiths Thank you. Can I ask what Mary's occupation was please, going to try find her marriage. Didn't know about Thomas & Ester haven't seen that yet

The 1911 census has Mary 24 a domestic servant with Martin 30 a hotel waiter and Thomas aged 33 running a chip shop with Mary Esther assisting.This would put Thomas's birth at 1877and match the 1939 register you have.Also on this census it says 5 children 2 have died and where May(Mary)'s name is writtn someone had started writing Ali and crossed it out. Other child Thomas Patrick. This address is Bury street Salford.

The other Thomas Doherty in 1911 Armour plate worker with children Thomas ,Winifred and Mary was born 1884 Manchester address in 1911 Eccles Street Openshaw.

These are the marriages I referred to:

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1926
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BACKHOUSE Esther Alice DOHERTY Thomas Patrick Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Manchester CHO_RM/330/105
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1933
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BACKHOUSE Albert George DOHERTY Mary Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Manchester CHO_RM/386/124

Thank you all adds to have right family

Name Esther A Backhouse
Spouse Thomas P Doherty
Marriage Mar 1926 South Manchester, Lancashire
Other Q1-Jan-Feb-Mar 1926

DOHERTY Thomas of 99 Moss Lane ,West Manchester died 30th Sept 1951 at The Royal Infirmary Manchester to James Patrick Doherty of no occupation .Effects £287 6s 4d

Thank you Winnie

1911 census 5 Derby Knowl Buxwoth Derbyshire
Patrick Campbell 30 Railway shunter born Dublin
Mary Ellen Campbell 22
Thomas Patrick Campbell 2
Alice Doherty 5 niece born Manchester

Mary E Campbell had a brother Patrick
Name: Patricius Campbell
[Patrick Campbell]
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 6 Mar 1879
Baptism Date: 25 Mar 1879
Baptism Place: Rathmines, Dublin city, Dublin, Ireland
Residence Place: Walworth Road
Parish Variants: Rathmines
Diocese: Dublin
Father: Patricii Campbell
Mother: Maria Anna Co?on

Name: Maria Anna Coyle
Gender: Female
Event Type: Marriage
Residence Place: Church Place
Marriage Date: 14 May 1875
Marriage Place: Rathmines, Dublin city, Dublin, Ireland
Parish Variants: Rathmines
Diocese: Dublin
Spouse: Patricius Campbell

Name Alice Campbell
Gender Female
Birth Date 4 Mar 1876
Birth Place Dublin, Ireland
Father Patrick Campbell
Mother Mary Anne Coyle Campbell
FHL Film Number 255946
Household Members
Name Age
Patrick Campbell
Mary Anne Coyle Campbell
Alice Campbell

Name John Campbell
Baptism Age 0
Event Type Baptism
Birth Date 14 Feb 1878
Baptism Date 22 Feb 1878
Baptism Place St Andrew's, Dublin city, Dublin, Ireland
Residence Place 29 Holles St
Parish Variants St. Andrew's, Westland Row, Westland Row
Diocese Dublin
Household Members
Name Age
John Campbell
Marianne Coyle
Patrick

this is the missing alice(Thomas and Mary Ellens daughter) from above living with uncle patrick and his wife mary ellen

Alice Doherty

Age in 1911 5
Estimated Birth Year abt 1906
Relation to Head Niece
Gender Female
Birth Place Manchester
Civil parish Chinley, Bugsworth and Brownside
Search Photos Chinley, Bugsworth and Brownside, Derbyshire, England
County/Island Derbyshire
Country England
Street Address 5 Derby Knowl Bugsworth Derbyshire
Marital Status Single
Occupation School
Registration district Chapel en le Frith
Registration District Number 440
Sub-registration district Chapel en le Frith
ED, institution, or vessel 11
Piece 21255
Household Members
Name Age
Patrick Campbell 30
Mary Ellen Campbell 22
Thomas Patrick Campbell 2
Alice Doherty 5

bugswoth is Buxworth

This baptism of Martin matches a Thomas you already have:

Name: Martinus Doherty
[Martin Doherty]
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 23 Oct 1880
Baptism Date: 2 Nov 1880
Baptism Place: Loughglynn, Roscommon, Ireland
Parish Variants: Erritt, Laughlin, Lisacul, Lisacull, Lisacull and Erritt, Loughglyn, Loughglynn and Lisacull
Diocese: Elphin
Father: Michaele Doherty
Mother: Brigida McGreal

Thomas P Doherty 16 Mar 1904 Male Herbert Combination Machine Turner Aeroplanes (Heavy Worker) Married Alice Doherty 10 Aug 1904 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married Alice (Doherty) 03 Sep 1926 Female At School Single Thomas P Doherty 12 Dec 1927 Male single
Lines 4, 6 and 7 are redacted.

Hi Winnie & mygriffiths Wow thank you. Have some of the information, but this is coming together nicely . Think have Thomas family on 1901 & 1911 census in Ireland, father Michael with a second wife Mary Jane Gibbins first wife Bridget McGreal, died I think age 33 1886. Just sent for Thomas & Mary's marriage just to confirm father MIchael. Says depatched 30th May for standard delivery What! Never mind will have to wait. Think have proved it's them though as have Martin as same parents a brother Dominic has same parents & witness on his marriage say John Joe Doherty who is there half brother son of Mary Jane & Michael, & the Mary same parents. fingers crossed. Michael & Mary Jane also have a son Patrick on 1901 & 1911 census so Brilliant!

Thank you for allowing us to join your search.

No, thank you & winnie for all the help. Only had a quick look this morning & all day been thinking that Patrick was Patrick Doherty not Campbell & have him in Ireland 1911 so been thinking gone wrong somewhere so relieved when I got home & had a proper look .

A little confused with this winne.

Thomas P Doherty 16 Mar 1904 Male Herbert Combination Machine Turner Aeroplanes (Heavy Worker) Married Alice Doherty 10 Aug 1904 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married Alice (Doherty) 03 Sep 1926 Female At School Single Thomas P Doherty 12 Dec 1927 Male single
Lines 4, 6 and 7 are redacted.
Will let you know when I get the marriage cert

The details Winnie has for you from 1939 register are for the son Thomas Patrick Doherty born 1904 who married Esther Alice Backhouse in 1926

Thomas Patrick Doherty
1904–1962

BIRTH ABT 1904 • Salford, Lancashire, England Spouse & Children

Esther Alice Backhouse
1904–1945
Alice Doherty 1926–
Thomas Patrick Doherty 1927–2002

Name Thomas P
Date of Registration 1926 - Jan-Feb-Mar[1926]
Registration district South Manchester
Inferred County Lancashire
Spouse Esther A
Volume Number 8d
Page number 271
Doherty, Backhouse - 8d 271
Household Members
Name Age
Esther A Backhouse
Thomas P Doherty

think i ave managed to go back another generation from the irish censers have found micheal born 1860 parents and family alot of names are very familiar

Oh brilliant have both marriages for Michael father Martin but can't find birth which I suspect was abt 1856 but on census has different ages but looks like 30 on his second marriage 1886 Think have Martin with second wife Margaret on 1901 & 1911 but can't find his first marriage.

These are all the Doherty's Head of house in Carrownaknockaun 1901 suspect all related just putting them together is the problem

Doherty Bridget Carrownaknockaun Artagh North Roscommon 78 house20
Doherty Martin Carrownaknockaun Artagh North Roscommon 70 wife Margaret house 5 house 5 1911
Doherty John Carrownaknockaun Artagh North Roscommon 60 wife Alice no. 2
Doherty Dominick Carrownaknockaun Artagh North Roscommon 59 wife Mary no 29
Doherty Thomas Carrownaknockaun Artagh North Roscommon 53 wife Rose no 19
Doherty Catherine Carrownaknockaun Artagh North Roscommon 50 no15
Doherty Michael Carrownaknockaun Artagh North Roscommon 46 wife Mary Jane house no 16 no 1 in 1911

and in 1911 changed to Carnagruckane
Doherty Alice Carnagruckane Artagh North Roscommon 73
Doherty Catherine Carnagruckane Artagh North Roscommon 73
Doherty Michael Carnagruckane Artagh North Roscommon 51
Doherty Martin Carnagruckane Artagh North Roscommon 74
Doherty Thomas Carnagruckane Artagh North Roscommon 64
Doherty John Carnagruckane Artagh North Roscommon 38
Martin only aged 4 years in 10 years & Michael 5 years lol

Hi Everyone Just to let you know have received marriage cert for Thomas Doherty & Mary Campbell says father Michael Doherty farmer & Patrick Campbell

Hi washy ... I've followed this thread extensively I would be very keen to talk ... would you have time ?